Anabelle Mayaa last had her own entry on MyBoobSite way back in 2007, but she has appeared a few times since on blogs about Boobs Garden and MyBoobsEU.
So, what’s The Fair Trade Porn Manifesto?
Regular commenter, fan and friend, Tomasz is trying to do something that has not been tried (in this way) before. Getting a fair deal for the models.
I don’t know if you all know, but models really do get the rum end of the deal, in porn. They get paid a pittance for the time taken to do a photoshoot and that is all. They get no royalties when a sale is made. They do not benefit from their pictures going global any more than if they are seen by a few fappers.
Of course, if you get popular as a model, then you may get paid a little more for a photoshoot than if you are a newcomer, but we’re still looking at only a couple of hundred bucks. But most are only going to earn a measly $100 or so for a full days work. In which they are expected to do more than one photo and video set, going through several costume changes, and providing the site with at least a month’s worth of updates before she is called back to work again.
I know some of you might not give a crap. Hey, it’s their career choice, right? Well, yes, it is, but young women are not always aware of the financial aspects of this game. And once you have got your kit off for the titillation of tossers, you just try to get a regular job!
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Loading ...So, Tomasz has made The Fair Trade Porn Manifesto and is asking for your opinions. We (Tomasz, Reese and Vix) would appreciate your responses on here, to the idea.
Please read The Manifesto and click HERE to leave comments.
Sorry, but I disagree with this. You’re talking about being paid more than someone who actually works for a living (minimum wage). It’s not a hard job. You take you clothes off and look sexy. Good for you. It’s not like you’re curing cancer. If you want to pay, make it on a volunteer basis. What you’re asking for is prostitution, which is illegal in most western countries. You many not agree, but, if you got some prosecutor or level of government (like we have here in Canada that seems intent on making breathing illegal), they could use this to charge you soliciting. Worse yet, lets say I paid, and found out afterwards the model wasn’t 18 (think Traci Lords). I could be charged with child pornography. Sorry, sounds extreme but we live in extreme times.
So, I agree with the premise. I would much rather contribute directly to my favorite model than to a Bangbros or other such outfit. But 1 euro per picture is too expensive (speaking as someone who would buy and contribute, rather than wait hopefully for the full set to be released). The porn market is over-saturated with cheap and free content and that has steadily dropped prices across the board. Adding a (albeit well thought out, and very reasonable) manifesto discussing why the model is charging a certain sum doesn’t change market conditions, although one could argue that perhaps she would capture a more conscious and selective porn consumer.
I think that for any more expensive porn business model to work (whatever the reason or goals), it needs to add VALUE for the customer. Some might see the altruistic goals stated in the manifesto as sufficient value (indeed as it looks like 100 euros have already been collected). I personally see some value, but not quite enough to justify the price. Other value add examples?
1. High-rez, professional photos and HD videos. If I’m paying for steak, I’d like to eat steak
2. Some personal input into outfits or settings for the next or future photo shoot.
3. Direct email correspondence from the model
4. Some free or reduced price cam time with the model or a special show for all paying customers
5. Provide extra candid photos or videos, especially interview videos. Although I’m not a huge Score fan, I LOVE those interviews they do with the models. That’s a BIG value add for me, personally. Very behind-the-scenes…
6. A bonus picture-set with a new or fresh model to generate interest (sound like this one is already part of the plan)
7. This process SEEMS complicated. It may not be, but it seems that way. The easier it is to buy porn and enjoy it, the happier the customer. When Apple made it easy to buy music online, they attracted LEGIONS of paying customers despite the fact that I think $0.99/track is highway robbery.
I’m all for fair-trade porn, but if I’m paying more, I want a different product than what I get from the porn companies. I wanted to be treated differently as a customer, and I want a different relationship with my favorite model. The more value the model can add for me as a customer, the more inclined I will be to fork over my money to her.
Again, I love the idea and the concept, but either the price needs to come down from 1 euro/pic, or there needs to be quite a bit of extra value that I get for that price point. Paying customers need to be treated as VIP’s compared to the masses who just wait for the release without having paid a dime.
Also, the poll options posted here are rather loaded. Who wouldn’t agree that models should be fairly compensated??? The devil is in the details… So, I’m not sure the point of the poll
$100 per day?
Really???????
Are you sure?
I’m not going into details but FRV always paid considerably more than that!
And while it may have a been a bit more generous than most, I didn’t think it was that out of step…
namegiven:
Do you really think getting nude in front of countless people around the world is easier than regular working ? Well, ask your girlfriend/wife to do a nude shooting to be published on the internet for the money equivalent to her salary. And where do you see prostitution here ??? :-o Have you actually read how it works ?
thanat0s187:
You’re missing the point. You don’t pay 1 € for 1 picture of Annabelle. You pay 1 € for 1 picture of the mystery model and your money adds to the release sum of the nude set of Annabelle. Is even 1 € too much for you to pay to see it ?
thanat0s187:
Talking of added values, when you drop a coin to a street musician, do you expect him to play something special for you as well ?
You consider 0.99 $ / track a robbery, but let me guess – you have no problem with paying 29.99 $ for a porn paysite membership. Where is the logic ? And if 0.99 $ is too much, then how much should a track be ? Imagine yourself being a musician, make music and sell it ? How much would you ask for a long play and a single ? I think 0.99 $ / track is a bargain and the fairest price one can imagine and robbery is illegal downloading for free. So, it seems we’re at the opposite poles.
Whatever. The actual issue comes down to the question: do you want to see this particular woman nude or not ? If you did, you wouldn’t argue. You don’t. OK ! No problem. All the general wishful talking is pointless.
thanat0s187:
Do you realize you lose 1 $ or more every time you start the engine of your car ? Do You watch cam girls ? Cams are 1+ $ / min. Is 1 min. of a chick framed head-to-waist in poor quality image faking she likes you worth more than a music track for that same price, that you buy for a lifetime ? I just can’t understand how people can reason like that …
Hey all, first time commenter, LONG time reader. And btw Reese and company, the blog has been great for years. On to the FTP Manifesto. It is clear that plenty of thought was put into this. I even feel that the test case that is being done has a high enough novelty value (thanks to it’s uniqueness and skillful marketing) to actually work one or two times. Kind of like the whole Sara Willis pixel thing. However, I cannot see this method catching on. It requires blatant disregard for important business principles. Namely, the supply and demand of both the products and the models themselves have been overlooked.
As thanat0s187 said, there is a tremendous amount of cheap/free erotica available on the internet; the fact that anyone actually pays for porn at all in this day and age is a miracle and godsend to the models and the producers as well. I, for instance, would rather watch cheesy homemade vids for free than pay a single cent for high-quality glamour pics. They work just as well, and they are much easier on the bankroll when the fun time is over. That’s not very good for the models, but consumers cannot be blamed for wanting the highest value materials, which would be the most erotic content for the lowest price.
This brings us to the labor market. The simple reason why models make such little money is because they are willing to work for those prices. And if they aren’t willing, someone else will. And as long as there are amateurs providing free content to contend with, the chances of those wages increasing are bleak. That is not very fair, but that’s just business. I’m sure most wage earners feel they deserve a larger share for their work. From a moral perspective, they probably do. However, the harsh reality is that they simply have to deal with it.
Though this proposal is an interesting one, it is quite unnatural from a market perspective. The employers and consumers are being asked to essentially donate the profits/savings that the market is giving them to increase the profits of another party in the production line. Think about it this way: the model doesn’t have some special obligation to share more of her profits with the cameramen, fluffers, and makeup artists than the market affords them. And yet, they too are essential to the creation of the final product. The FTP manifesto is asking everyone involved in a huge industry to go out of their way to favor the well being of a specific party above their own.
It’s not that I don’t respect the models or think that they’re hard workers. It’s quite the opposite. But it is important to remember the nature of my relationship with them. My goal, as with most guys who use erotica, is to get turned on. My goal IS NOT to fill the bank account of some woman I’ve never met, just to prove that I think she’s a hard worker. The method described by the FTP Mani would never see widespread usage without legal backing, and even then it would mean certain death for commercial porn.
The amount of money these companies make off the models, and the models are the one’s being degraded & performing in some painful, extreme scenarios, there is no question these women should be compensated.
100.00, 200.00?
These girls work hard, do multiple shoots & vids, and they get taken advantage of.
I used to be in contact with a Score model i befriended via myspace (years ago, i know), and for the amount they charged for their DVD’s (which are great, btw, i love the product they put out), she wasn’t getting much out of the deal.
It kinda stunned me.
These women need to band together, because there is obviously a demand for pornography & nude models.
Lots of money is being made, while they get the shaft.
What they do, what is expected of them, is NOT minimum wage work.
There is no comparison between someone serving you coffee, and someone taking a 10 inch…
well, you get my point.
Art is a very competitive business. Some make out like bandits and some don’t. Really even gold record rock stars don’t get much for record sales. The money is in personal appearances, concerts.
Consider what goes into making a dime on these pictures. You gotta get buyers for them. Who’s getting the buyers? Who gets the world to know the pictures even exist? Who’s getting all these cheapskate wankers to fork over a few shekels? Who buys the cameras, the lights, the costumes, the sets? Who pays the photographers, the IT people, the bandwidth costs etc., etc. The models? Nope. Who eats these expenses for all the shoots that don’t make a dime? Shoots where the costume was lame, thieves widely distributed the shoot, maybe just because there was somthing distracting happening at the time the shoot is released. The model gets paid whether the payer makes a dime or not. If she invested in all that herself like Danni Ashe did she would make good money too if she was any good. If she doesn’t take the risk she can’t claim the win.
The issue with your model is that the uh… human model is valued at the highest, yet puts out some of least amount of work. You have devalued both the producer (or production group) and photographer.
The concept of micro-transactions and releases based on monetary goals will only cost the audience more in the long run. It also relies on people taking a huge investment in their porn, only to devalue you by releasing it for free. You’ve turned porn into a metagame… a very expensive metagame.
I am also not sure your assessment of model value is right. That is a whole other moral conundrum that you seem to be venturing into. Just how much is model X worth? I know it’s a reality of the trade, but not sure how people will react being exposed directly to the fact that the model they like is less valuable (and thus less attractive.)
Tomasz – That is my opinion, you asked for them. Seems strange to directly defend it when someone asked for public opinion on a theory. You come across as you already have made up your mind are only interested in debate and reassurance.
Very simple solution is models need to work for themselves, those seem to be doing well. Band together or form an informal union if you can’t start your own company. Only roadblock would be if they can find substitutes easy and still produce the same amount of content.
I have no issue paying for porn, but for me its about getting a good value for my money. I subscribe to a few sites such as Scoreland and plumperpass, and the reason why I keep my membership with them is because they update the sites everyday with new content and they have a large archive.
Other sites that don’t update as often, I’ll join for a month, cancel, and then come back 3-4 months later and go through the archives to catch up.
As far as the dollar idea, it sounds good on paper, but the issue is that all the dollars add up and then you got to keep track of all the models you paid to have access to their content.
As far as the fees that the models get paid, its always nice to make more money but I think its going to result in less content being available and higher prices to get the content we want.
I know several models personally, and sometimes its not about making as much money as possible, but rather doing just enough work to get by.
I don’t buy porn anyway. Unless you count the internet fee I rack up fapping online. $100 a day is good money. Sure beats the £100 a month benifits I’m on.
Thanks for the feedback. I appreciate it, particularly Layoff’s, bob’s and thanat0s187’s for the amount and deep insight and razorjules’ for the moral support.
Let me ask you something. You all do know the current famous cocktease non-nude model Jordan Carver and Wendy Fiore, not to mention retired (?) Denise Milani. If they came up with the same idea, would you support it ? I.e. one of them would announce she would finally go topless and show her boobs if she collected a million dollar from fans. Would you contribute to that ? I’m curious.
1. Nobody does just pics these days. That business model ended 10 years ago. You have to pics & videos.
2. Who pays just $100 U.S. Dollars? Solo shoots typically pay $150 to $300 per scene. Not an all day shoot, but just 3 to 4 hours
3. Anyone who says this is easy work is delusional. I have worked minimum wage jobs & I have done porn for 13 years. Shooting isn’t easy work at all. Shoots, especially feature movies can be 18 hour days, under hot bright lights in 100 degree heat. No airconditioning allowed due to the sound on video. After the bright lights & heat, I personally end up with a migraine
4. Models are lied to by the fans & those in the business promised $$$$. Most girls careers last 6 months. then no more shoots.
5. Paid shoots don’t happen everyday. In fact, it is a rarity to get more than 10 gigs in a year. So it isn’t the steady pay check like a 9 to 5 job at all. To assume the money she makes is major is bogus.
6. NO ONE owes you free porn. More and more companies are going under. Girls will have no paid jobs, thus no more pics & videos that are new content for you to jack off to. LMAO Already tube sites are begging those of us left to sell out for such little money it is laughable. Cause they really don’t have new content to steal as much to meet the demands of the freeloaders who stea.
7. If you watch free tube sites, you are a thief and NOT a fan but my enemy. If this post pisses you off, then I will just laugh harder.
8. Girls should just do camming. Where they can make money. And when they are done & want to move on in life, not as much adult content out there to come back and bite them in the wallet when they cant get a regular job due to their porn past.
9. Men are greedy fucks who dont give a shit about the models. So to ask them to sympathize is NUTS. They don’t give a fuck about the model. They just want free jack off material. Some of the posted comments here prove that point.
10. Reese, redirect these girls to Streamate or MFC where they can earn a living. Yes, it is hard work, but they will be working for themselves. Not ripped off.
11. By the way, I do resent you promoting IMlive on here. Even those they pay out the most to affiliates like you. They pay the least to the girls & do charge backs to the models.
12. Models don’t charge $1 per minute for camming. It is more expensive than that. Say under Imlive where the model gets paid out 30%. Is BS! Cause you are not in paid chat majority of the time, but working for free for losers who don’t truly appreciate the girl at all.
13. I have wonderful fans, who are members of my site. Who do take me prvt. Who do tweet with me. Who do take me prvt on cam. They get that this is a give & get business. I make them happy & they have no problem compensating me for it.
14. This attitude that we OWE you free porn is crazy. On these tube sites since anyone can upload their own stuff. How do you know they are of legal age. If they are minors, then you just opened yourself up to being arrested for watching kiddie porn. AT least with a paid site, all the documents that the performers are over the age of 18 years old. But then I know some of you like the super young ones & don’t care if this is wrong.
Sam
Something to make you all (except razorjules :-)) reflect on this. One of my favourite pornstars ever, Alexis Silver has retired and is just … a waitress in her home city of Leeds. After years of successful porn career she should have enough money saved not to have to work daily in her later years ? So, why does she work ? Because, the money she was earning in porn was so poor that she couldn’t make a good living and save money at the same time. I mean, that woman did some really nasty things on camera and was damn good at it and now she’s a waitress and probably will be it to the end of her days, unless she gets back to porn or finds a rich guy, the latter being quite hard, if you’re a former pornstar. Fans like you enjoyed watching Alexis fucking like hell, but now don’t give a shit she’s a waitress, do they ?
Well, as I said before, I wouldn’t personally contribute, but I do think that those models would have a high probability of success because of their large fanbases. Denise Milani especially, who I believe was actually petitioned by her fans to do a topless photoshoot. While Annabelle doesn’t have the equity of a well-known name and an established fanbase, I do think that the FTP proposition is unique enough to strike gold for her. However, without either of these advantages, getting the contributions would be tough. If we had an industry full of models doing the same sort of gimmick, it would get old with the buyers, and they would look for easier ways to see nudity.
Just remember, a loyal fanbase allows a model to essential hold an act or part of her body for ransom (i.e. Rachel A going bottomless if X amount of money is raised) with a high probability of success.
Also remember that even a Jane Doe can find success with a clever and unusual strategy. The uniqueness and novelty value will generate fan attention and increase the probability of success. For instance, look up Natalie Dylan, who came up with the idea of auctioning off her virginity, and got bids in the millions. If you can figure out why guys would pay her millions of dollars for what they could get from a prostitute for pennies on the dollar, you will understand why FTP’s conditions are plausible, almost genius, for a single model, but could never work for an entire workforce.
Certainly not, again evaluation on value to high for a virtual product, in my opinion. Kickstarter projects (as an example) work, but only because they place appropriate value on the investment made by the public, with appropriate award. You would either need a whole lot of people to invest in tiny amounts, or some very overenthusiastic people.
And at then at those price points, why not just work out a private deal with the model/production house? A subscription is still the best price to value, even more so with regular up dates.
Is there a website or group where models /performers can learn about this biz beforehand, how to make the best of it, instead of being exploited? Otherwise, they’re just on their own, struggling with their own painful learning curve.
Models are exploited because of this lack of good advice, and because they don’t own and control “the means of production.” So, the more they can do so on their own (Samantha gave some examples), or in some kind of model cooperative, or… ? > the better.
I like the idea of sending off contributions to models /performers that I esp enjoy… But how does one know that any $ is going directly to the model, and not intercepted by some “pimp”?
Good to have this topic on the table!
bob:
I can’t agree Kickstarter offers any good value for money, because contributors to the business projects don’t get any return from their investments, at least in most cases. The famous game case, where in one day they collected +million $, proves that. That game, once made, is (will be) on regular sale, not free, except for some selected contributors, who paid a definite amount of money, will get it free. People paid to get it made at all. Correct me, if I’m wrong about the facts. That’s why it’s crowd-funding – funding ! It’s equivalent to donation. And that’s what makes difference between it and fair-trade porn, which isn’t any funding/donation, but a new way of content selling – that difference is explained in the manifesto.
@samantha38g And why are you calling out the male consumers as the greedy party? They only want to reduce their expenses on this stuff and get high value material, just as if they were shopping for groceries instead of porn. Is that what you call greed? So then, how is it not also greedy for a model to want more money from everyone else in the business? How is it not greedy to want to be favored and take shares of the pie from someone else to fill your own wallet. Everyone looks out for their own interests, even you.
Referring to what Sam wrote and we wrote too in the manifesto, the more free porn is there and the less you pay for it, the less girls and the less pretty ones you’ll get to see. Anybody noticed how rarely new great models have been appearing on the scene for the last few years ? Let’s take our big-boobs realm. When did the latest big-boobs “superstars” step up the scene ? Chronologically: Ewa Sonnet 2003, Anya Sakova 2004, Jana Defi 2005 (retired), the latest being possibly Hitomi Tanaka 2007. The non-nude cockteases, like Denise Milani, don’t count. If you keep not paying for porn, you’ll end up with desperate ugly chicks, who do porn to to cure their complexes by proving to themselves they’re not ugly, because they do porn. I don’t know what’s the right idiom for this in English, but in Polish we say: “to undercut the branch you sit on”. By not paying for porn, you do right that.
“That game, once made, is (will be) on regular sale, not free, except for some selected contributors, who paid a definite amount of money, will get it free. People paid to get it made at all. Correct me, if I’m wrong about the facts. That’s why it’s crowd-funding – funding ! ”
Don’t think you’re to familiar with what is offered in a kickstart, or how they actually work, then. The entire point of a kickstart is to raise capital by offering your consumer base a chance to invest in the game with returns of either unique/cheaper copies of the game (usually 10 – 15 bucks will get you that) or more. The rewards then branch out to greater things including chances to work with the development team.
Crowd funding is still an investment, it being “funding” does not make it a donation, as you suggest. All that is happening in a kickstart is people are given a chance to get a direct pre-order, at a better price. Or a chance to actually invest in the game, for a bit more money. Look at the options most kickstarts offer, they include things like, visiting the studio, working directly with the design team, creating a character or level. Real returns for real investments.
The value returned to the consumer is exponential and offers one off rewards of greater value (IE collectors editions or work experience.) Not devalued, like in your model. In your manifesto you expect the audience to pay the most only to receive the least back. Kickstarters reward you by offering you more, the more you pay.
The reason why kickstarters are viable is because they don’t result in the product becoming free, but result in the investors getting unique bonuses. And yes, they are investors, generally people who invest in a game project don’t get their money back unless they are the publisher. I’ve worked in the game industry for longer then this blog has been existed.
Your version of crowd funding (call it what you want, it still is crowd funding) creates a situation that will drive people away from paid porn, because of the insane value you have place on each picture, only to have them devalued in the end.
You are trying to solve a problem (piracy) in the most backwards way possible, by increasing value only to then decrease it. Subscriptions are the best way to keep consumers, it’s that simple. Captive audience.
I’m not sure what this proposal will do to the industry. For a multi model site, how much does one model bring in per month. How would the web site know what royalty to give her? If the models are paid more, then the prices for these web sites will go up and drive even more piracy. Which will mean less business / competition. Yes, some models are not paid fairly, I agree with that. But teachers are not paid well either, they have masters degrees and they are trying to educate the next generation. These models know that their time in the sun is limited, but they do it anyway for whatever reason. They have other choices. At the same time I have no doubt that these web sites are extorting these girls. But, the girls can always negotiate for more money. I just hope that the models are saving the money and investing it wisely, like getting a university degree.
bob:
Just a quick one now referring to what revolts me in your opinion:
“In your manifesto you expect the audience to pay the most only to receive the least back.”
Do you call paying 1, 3 or 5 €, whatever – the equivalent of a cup of coffee or a beer / person “the most” and seeing a new never-seen before mystery model nude plus possibly the main busty model full nude for the first time ever “the least” ??? :-o Jeez … So how much is it worth for You the experience of seeing them ? Less than 1 € ? Zero ? Should it be free ? Is drinking a cup of coffee or a beer a more valuable experience than seeing a new model and a model showing pussy for the first time ever ?
Your evaluation that you pay (too much) for pictures is absolutely wrong and out of place. This isn’t everyday good like water, fuel, sugar etc.. You can’t measure it in price/unit. What you pay for is the cognitive experience of seeing a new model and model showing a new thing. When print Playboy features a celebrity nude pictorial and asks you that same few bucks for the print copy, do you say the same ?
Former Anorei follower:
“If the models are paid more, then the prices for these web sites will go up and drive even more piracy. Which will mean less business / competition.”
Nobody here says to raise the prices of the websites. What we’re talking about is an alternative to those high prices. You pay that token 1 € and you let the model make more money.
bob:
“The entire point of a kickstart is to raise capital by offering your consumer base a chance to invest in the game with returns of either unique/cheaper copies of the game (usually 10 – 15 bucks will get you that) (…) All that is happening in a kickstart is people are given a chance to get a direct pre-order, at a better price. (…) Look at the options most kickstarts offer, they include things like, visiting the studio, working directly with the design team, creating a character or level. Real returns for real investments. (…) The value returned to the consumer is exponential and offers one off rewards of greater value (IE collectors editions or work experience.)”
1. “Unique copies”, “collectors editions” – what’s that ? Fancy coloured box cover, China-made merchandising, creators signature ? Is that the return and added value ???
2. “Cheaper copies at a better price for 10-15 bucks” ? People make donations and then they still have to pay for the game copy and you call it return ??? :-o
3. “A chance to get a pre-order” ? A chance, really ??? To buy something everyone can buy is a chance, yeah ?
4. “Visiting the studio.” Wow, that’s something !!! Would it be NASA headquarters or even just Hollywood studios, I could understand it, but a game design studio ? What’s there unique to see ?
5. “Working directly with the design team, creating a character or a level.” Fascinating. Truly. Spending a day with some geeks at a computer must be a dream-come-true.
6. “Real returns for real investments”, “one off rewards of greater value” – LMAO. Whom for ? Childish guys, who’ve never grown up and spend their lives playing games ? Isn’t money the real return by your own previous statements ? All the presumed returns and values you mentioned have no real commercial value, they’re not even products or art works, they’re gifts and favours, that cost nothing to the fund raisers. It costs nothing to let somebody in the studio, doesn’t it ? That’s bullshit serving to help the money raising.
I do believe you’re from the game industry. Otherwise you wouldn’t write all that. ;-)
Bob, the real return for real investment is here, in fair-trade porn. You get to see a brand new never-seen busty nude mystery model. 1 pic for 1 €. Plus you contribute to the release of busty Annabelle first full-nude set. As fair as it can get. Can’t get more.
I work 10 to 12 hours a day on the computer. I do marketing, camming, clips to sale, my site. I work hard to earn a decent living.
I do NOT download music or movies I did not pay for. If I can not afford it, then I dont steal it. I wait until I can pay for it. So your trip to the grocery store is mute. Cause if you can’t afford groceries then you shouldn’t be able to afford a computer or the internet & save that money to live on.
Models can cam. Models can take their time & do plenty of reading up on the web before they do porn.
Have to laugh at those say the girls should save up what they do make to live off the rest of their lives. In this day & time, there are few companies left to do shoots for. So in her career, she might make $5000 in shoots over a years time. STOP thinking there is big money in porn. I bet Dors Feline probably only made $7000 during her WHOLE porn career.
Only way for a model to make money, to earn a living, is to become a social media guru, to have her own site, to do clip sites like c4s & live camming. Then she can manage a nice income with hard work & diligence.
No such thing as easy money.
Your not going to get many new super stars, the web doesn’t support it.
Laughable is the statement more free content with better quality. You get what you pay for. :)
Tube sites killed the porn industry. Over 3/4s of the companies from 10 years ago are out of business. A model can’t become a super star, because there is no work for her to build that kind of brand.
Most models, sadly are lazy. They don’t want to invest the time, effort & money it takes to build a brand.
It is NOT greedy to want to earn a living. It is greedy to STEAL the product that someone else footed the bill for.
Fact is on MFC a girl can sell photo sets. She can sell video clips for tokens. So to me, there is a solution.
Sadly, for Reece the affiliate market doesn’t make money off of those kind of endeavors.
Less & less girls are getting into the Big boob porn biz. It isn’t financially worth it for them to do so. I have major companies begging me for new big naturally boobed girls. Simply doesn’t pay me enough to find them, to do the research.
Smooches,
Sam
Guys, who say porn must be free, are so dumb they don’t realize the basic economy fact that porn isn’t made for free, it costs, it takes money to make it. It’s a work, like every other. Why should anyone let free his/her work ?
Samantha:
2 large comments with precious insider view, but no word on the subject of the blog entry from you. What is your opinion on the fair-trade porn idea ?
Yeah, no. They want to pose nude, great, but let them get a real job.
Nobody is going to be able to legislate or inspire respect for models across the board, or impact their wages with a manifesto. It comes down to how in demand and intelligent the model is, just like in many other businesses and work avenues. Those that are the most capable and intelligent, and in some cases willing to walk away from certain things, tend to come out on top, even when it comes to the wages you make working in a business office. If the model has a dedicated audience who will look for her product that is job 1. Job 2 is to set up a scenario where she makes a representative portion of the profits. Job 3, in this day and age, is protection of the product, having people to watch over the hacker forums, file sharing sites, etc. If you’re intelligent about it, you could end up like Danni Ashe. Or just get used. Or anything in between. It’s kind of like anything else in this world, really.
I just read the manifesto.
What? What complete BS!
You have no idea what you are doing.
PAY PAL REally! Did you not read the rules & regulations for pay pal. You can NOT sell adult content on pay pal. Then up to a year latter the guy can do a chargeback & the account will be frozen & all money in it seized.
She can go on clips4sale & sell pics & videos on there. There are several sites now set up to do that kind of thing, like extralunchmoney & such. She is being lazy & not doing her research.
To expensive to open a website? These days it is cheap to do so. If she isn’t willing to invest in herself, to learn & do the work herself then I have no pity what-so-ever.
Fact, is, there are many ways, more than ever for a model to go out on her own & make money. They just need the drive & work ethic to do so.
I see many girls on MFC who hustle by selling bras, panties, photo sets & video clips for tokens.
Asking guys to prepay for a product that may never be delivered is nuts. What if the goal isn’t reached? Do the guys get a refund? Men are horny, now, not months from now.
She can cam on many networks & be paid on most weekly or biweekly. Sure she has to put in time in front of the camera in free chat. Learn how to hustle & put on good shows. But funny how thousands of girls all around the world do it everyday & earn a living.
NO need for a manifesto. She just needs to go out & hustle like the rest of us. Such is life
Smooches,
Sam
Naked pays out 50% & for a fee a model can be paid out daily. Plus you can upload videos on there and sell them. NO CHARGEBACKS TO THE MODEL
Imlive pays 29/% she can put videos on it & sell them. CHARGEBACKS TO THE MODEL
MyFreeCans pays 50% NO CHARGEBACKS for tokens amounts that she sets a models can sell pics, videos, autographed pics & clothing. It is her game there.
Streamate pays out 35% NO CHARGEBACKS. She can even do a gold club membership there to put videos & pics for a set monthly price. A site of her own.
Clips4Sale- pays out 60% on clips & pics that you sale.
Start up cost: Laptop $300 to$1000, Webcam $30 to $150, Hd hand held camera to make videos $50 to $1000, converting program for clips $80, monthly internet connection $30 to $100. So for as little as $500 any model can be in business.
There is no excuse for a model not to make money. I have no sympathy. We are all in the end responsible for ourselves. What I just wrote is NO big secret. Any girl OR Guy can do this, no on camera personality & sales is up to you. There are other cam companies you can work for, but I don’t know all the in’s & out’s of them.
Smooches,
Sam
Samantha:
1. Actually she’s been in cams for years, but is among thousands.
2. Have you read the manifesto with attention ? Every contributor gets in change instantly photos of another busty mystery model. That’s what they pay for directly. Why the hell doesn’t anybody see that in the text ?! I thought I wrote it pretty clear.
Samantha:
Cams are only partial solution to models, but no solution at all for photographers and producers. High quality productions don’t get return adequate to their real value and most often even their costs. Piracy is killing erotic art and pornography.
Technology changes everything, People used to have looms & made their own cloth & clothing, Now, we buy it. Do you feel bad for those old looms.
Porn business has changed. We can NOT undo it. We all have to move forward & figure out new ways. If you don’t adapt you get left behind.
For models it is camming. If guys want free, then they can NOT complain about the quality. Nobody cares.
“Another busty Mystery Model” LOL guys want to know, not guess.
Do I feel bad about photographers & producers? The very same ones who never gave models a fair shake in the adult industry? NO! Models, never got residuals, models got ripped off by webmasters.
Feel bad for the predators that exploited us for so long? NO
Feel bad for those who dictated what models got work & which ones didn’t? NO
Feel bad for those who told me I would never make money being over 30 years old & to fat for the porn industry? NO
Feel bad for those who had an iron fist on the business & called all models stupid whores & considered us all disposable? NO
Now more than ever with camming & such models can be their own boss. They can put the work in on social media to drive traffic to their own sites & web cam shows.
Camming is no longer a part-time gig, it should be a full-time job for models.
Smooches,
Sam
Personally, i don’t see a big decline in quality models.
If anything, it’s hard to keep up, but maybe i’m just behind.
There’s so much porn, so many choices…
But, then again, when was the last time we got the new Christy Marks?
That girl blew my mind, then suddenley vanished.
Sometimes i think the great models push their careers too fast.
Start slow, save the gangbangs for further down the road.
Build interest, tease them, take it a little further as you go along.
Now that i think about it, Leanne Crow is smarter than most.
Samantha:
Your posts are extremely aggressive, your speech is full of hatred, you’re just shouting out your statements with little relation to others’, all the time. Obviously you have some huge rancour, resentments …
Samantha:
A basic issue: camming is not modelling, is performing. The point (which maybe you don’t get) is there is no way for models and photographers to make money out of their professions – modelling and photography. It means even models, who run their own business and are their own boss, can’t do it too.
1. “We all have to move forward & figure out new ways. If you don’t adapt you get left behind.”
What is fair-trade porn if not an attempt to find a new way and adapt ???
2. “If guys want free, then they can NOT complain about the quality.”
A missed one. Cams are not free, right the opposite – the most expensive adult entertainment on web and it delivers the worst quality.
3. “Feel bad for the predators that exploited us for so long? NO”
Again: have you read the manifesto with attention ? It’s expressly stated there that models are exploited !!!
Samantha:
It’s quite ironic that possibly the worst (in terms of language) critique of this idea comes from the only model on the forum. Shoudn’t you be the one to appreciate it instead ?
Somebody (a man and porn consumer himself) comes up with a business concept thought to let models – that means you too – make more money, maybe a totally wrong one, but with the best intentions behind it, and all you’ve got to say about is BS and LOL ??? Show me some God damn respect !!!
Tomasz, there are many Vod sites videos can make money on for models & producers. It isn’t a NEW business model. There are at least 10 places where models can sell pics & vods per set. You have not done your research, but then they get the product then & there & of a girl they can see a sample of. Not to invest & then wait to see if she is a cutie or not.
No need for a manifesto. Amazingly enough those who hustle are able to still earn a living.
You fail to take camming seriously. Top cam girl last year made $550,000 she is on Streamate.
Respect for what? Respect that you want men to hand money over to you via Pay pal, & trust you will deliver them pics of a fresh new mystery model. Sounds like a scam to me.
Selling of just pics stopped being a viable business model 10 years ago.
As the song says “Video killed the radio star”.
If you believe in it so much, go for it. See if you can make it work, instead of fighting with me on Reese’s site. See if you can get pay pal to give you special treatment to do adult sells through them. See if you can get traffic & sales with this business model.
You get angry because I fail to agree with you, is laughable. How many men have offered you money to do this? uh huh proof is in the pudding.
Good Luck,
Sam
Samantha:
I know very well the sale formula “set/video per item”. But it’s not the same !!! That still doesn’t prevent from stealing content and robbing models. Who buys the set/video can till upload it anywhere else on the internet. Here instead that sale formula serves to the release of another work, which is not released until its price sum is paid off.
1. “Respect for what? Respect that you want men to hand money over to you via Pay pal, & trust you will deliver them pics of a fresh new mystery model. Sounds like a scam to me.”
No, respect for the very first attempt in internet porn since a long time to find a new way for models to make better money. Should I do it for free ? Scam ? Buy a 1 € pic and you’ll see. No easier way to check it. ;-)
2. As the song says “Video killed the radio star”.
Yes, I had the same association. Internet killed the pornstar. What a paradox …
2. “You get angry because I fail to agree with you, is laughable.” Nothing less true. Almost nobody here has agreed with me and I didn’t get angry with anybody except you. Why ? Because you were bitchy without reason. Now, you’re not and I’m not angry anymore. See ? ;-)
Good luck to you too.
I disagree with the concept because unless a model has an idea or unique project, there is nothing separating her from other girls save for her looks. I am currently looking into the crowdfunding/video on demand model because I have a project in mind. Fact is, camming is what is popular and selling and that is what most girls are doing. Camming and membership sites are the norm and until the production in the industry changes its paradigm, this is what we should expect. Porn has become more social and interactive instead of “watch movie A and jerk off”. Now it is “watch movie A, watch cam girls B,C, and D, then jerk off” just changes in consumption.
In addition, piracy will never kill erotic art- one just has to be motivated by making it for themselves instead for money. If people like what they see, they will pay with their own money. That is why crowdfunding is taking off with web series- because the viewers like it and want more. Let today’s producers and directors be in it for money- more room for deviant indie producers to do their thing because they love it. Models and actresses are there to serve a purpose- unless they have a vested interest in the final product, their opinion doesn’t matter. I prefer striking out and going indie- instead of waiting for the industry to change in my favor.